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Old 07-20-2016 | 07:16 AM
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You're like a parasite that just won't go away
I wouldn't worry about him. Soon enough it'll be Endeavor's turn, again, to be the Regional whipping boy. There's a reason that bonus money isn't permanent.
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Old 07-20-2016 | 07:22 AM
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Originally Posted by 272922
I wouldn't worry about him. Soon enough it'll be Endeavor's turn, again, to be the Regional whipping boy. There's a reason that bonus money isn't permanent.
Once Delta gets those C-Series, and the retention bonus goes away, people will be fleeing Endeavor. I just hope that the Endeavor pilots like starting over at the bottom of the list of a new regional 2 years from now.
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Old 07-20-2016 | 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by daOldMan
Once Delta gets those C-Series, and the retention bonus goes away, people will be fleeing Endeavor. I just hope that the Endeavor pilots like starting over at the bottom of the list of a new regional 2 years from now.
Hopefully 2 years from now, SW/JB/Spirit/Frontier will be clamouring for pilots at the very least.
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Old 07-20-2016 | 04:00 PM
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Originally Posted by 1stCivDivPilot
Hopefully 2 years from now, SW/JB/Spirit/Frontier will be clamouring for pilots at the very least.
They already are... Delta is going to give up scope so a regional can fly the c series.. I don't think so.. Pilots are only getting stronger in this environment,
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Old 07-20-2016 | 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by MKUltra
They already are... Delta is going to give up scope so a regional can fly the c series.. I don't think so.. Pilots are only getting stronger in this environment,
I highly doubt it. There are two many guys on property at all 3 of the big Legacy carriers who have lived through the morass that is the regionals for guys ever to give that scope up again.

At least that's what I hope.
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Old 07-20-2016 | 05:09 PM
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Originally Posted by 272922
I highly doubt it. There are two many guys on property at all 3 of the big Legacy carriers who have lived through the morass that is the regionals for guys ever to give that scope up again.

At least that's what I hope.
I see no reason why any union would give up scope right now. We all know the more flying that s brought in house the more pilots are protected and job security.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 06:22 PM
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How long is upgrade time right now?
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Old 07-21-2016 | 06:38 PM
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How long is upgrade time right now?
For a new hire? 3-4+ years
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Old 07-21-2016 | 06:56 PM
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Originally Posted by DustyRoads
How long is upgrade time right now?
Today's new hire will have 600 F/O's ahead of them. We're upgrading 4 per month. You do the math.
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Old 07-21-2016 | 08:17 PM
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Today's new hire will have 600 F/O's ahead of them. We're upgrading 4 per month. You do the math.
I would tend to agree, but there is a wild card in the mix.

IF (and only IF) PSA is able to attract new hires, and the CRJ700's come over from Envoy, then a new hire today at PSA could have a good career and a short stay at PSA. All of the FO's on property will be able to upgrade quickly. PSA is losing more pilots from the bottom of the list than they are the top. Attrition is picking up. A new hire will move up a couple hundred seniority numbers their first year.

That would allow Envoy to keep their flow at 30 a month, since they will be losing airframes to PSA. It will not hurt them. And, in the long run, would be really good for PSA as well.

What it would take for that to happen would be a pay raise or a massive flow increase at PSA. I just don't see that happening.
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