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Old 10-19-2016 | 07:24 AM
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are we still filling classes??
Old 10-19-2016 | 07:49 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
Well first off 40 x 128 is 1120 and even including perf and quaterly bonuses it doesnt come near what other regionals are offering first year FO's or CA's in terms of compensation via bonus. Further your disqualifying statement of myself having NOT ( your right ) been at other regionals though being just fodder for flame makes an interesting point. For whatever reasons skw may have in fact been the place to hang your hat well things change. These two policies put in place are in my view of course minute attempts to appease a pilot group who is simply under compensated in todays market. Ill reiterate again that they only really help to benefit skw who I think going forward will be the group who is in fact no longer filling classes to the level they want because simply of money for a new hire. They are disguised to look beneficial as if the company cares but the reality is they are just saving themselves and protecting the product they have to offer to the majors going forward.
Lol the ink isn't even dry on the AA WO new compensation and you are hemming and hawing about how underpaid we are at Skywest? Relax. Skywest will increase compensation to stay competitive in the next contract.
As far as work rules/soft pay/QOL go, Skywest is above the rest.
Old 10-19-2016 | 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by RemoveB4Flight
Lol the ink isn't even dry on the AA WO new compensation and you are hemming and hawing about how underpaid we are at Skywest? Relax. Skywest will increase compensation to stay competitive in the next contract.
As far as work rules/soft pay/QOL go, Skywest is above the rest.
In fact not hemming and hawing but responding to a comment saying that the policies put in place are great for pilots well I disagree and have given my reasons. Hem and Haw no, using a message board for ideas thought sharing yes.
As long as I am flying for cheap in a regional then no I wont be relaxed and I like to call out what it is when it is.
Thanks for your input.
Old 10-19-2016 | 07:56 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
Well first off 40 x 128 is 1120 and even including perf and quaterly bonuses it doesnt come near what other regionals are offering first year FO's or CA's in terms of compensation via bonus. Further your disqualifying statement of myself having NOT ( your right ) been at other regionals though being just fodder for flame makes an interesting point. For whatever reasons skw may have in fact been the place to hang your hat well things change. These two policies put in place are in my view of course minute attempts to appease a pilot group who is simply under compensated in todays market. Ill reiterate again that they only really help to benefit skw who I think going forward will be the group who is in fact no longer filling classes to the level they want because simply of money for a new hire. They are disguised to look beneficial as if the company cares but the reality is they are just saving themselves and protecting the product they have to offer to the majors going forward.
All regionals are under compensated, that's the whole point.

Most regional (or major) airline pilots don't care about first year pay or sign-on bonuses. That's the company's problem with regard to recruiting. Once on the seniority list, pilots are concerned with long-term compensation and stability.

I suggest you go try a regional that has a big sign-on bonus instead of SKW (just hope to God you don't get stuck there). There's a reason for those bonuses. Enjoy.
Old 10-19-2016 | 07:57 AM
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Soakingpilot, you hit the nail on the head with that post.
Old 10-19-2016 | 08:08 AM
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Originally Posted by rickair7777
All regionals are under compensated, that's the whole point.

Most regional (or major) airline pilots don't care about first year pay or sign-on bonuses. That's the company's problem with regard to recruiting. Once on the seniority list, pilots are concerned with long-term compensation and stability.

I suggest you go try a regional that has a big sign-on bonus instead of SKW (just hope to God you don't get stuck there). There's a reason for those bonuses. Enjoy.
In fact I'm good with my seniorty already at SKW but do I want what others are getting for me and everyone else but not sure why you Rickair7777 are so against that? Then again you say most regional pilots dont care about first year pay or sign ons ? well as you said yourself "there's a reason for those bonuses"

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Old 10-19-2016 | 08:08 AM
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No, the time frame does not line up for the "soft-landing" benefit to have an ounce of anything to do with AA WO recent first-year bumps.
Look at the document yourself, that final draft was dated this Spring. Understand the leg work started long before that.
Old 10-19-2016 | 08:25 AM
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Originally Posted by WesternSkies
No, the time frame does not line up for the "soft-landing" benefit to have an ounce of anything to do with AA WO recent first-year bumps.
Look at the document yourself, that final draft was dated this Spring. Understand the leg work started long before that.
Well both the soft landing or AA's pay bumps were not crafted in a night obviously. From my view company A has a strategy style and company B has another. One will get compensated more and the other less. We should be getting the same as they and people should not be confusing the soft landing as a real benefit. Check my first post as this is the consistent point.
In APC forum style just to really hammer this home "money talks and bull**** walks"

cheerio I'm off to enjoy the day.
Old 10-19-2016 | 08:39 AM
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Originally Posted by soakingpilot
Well both the soft landing or AA's pay bumps were not crafted in a night obviously. From my view company A has a strategy style and company B has another. One will get compensated more and the other less. We should be getting the same as they and people should not be confusing the soft landing as a real benefit. Check my first post as this is the consistent point.
In APC forum style just to really hammer this home "money talks and bull**** walks"

cheerio I'm off to enjoy the day.
I think you should walk. Since you think it's so much better at the AA WO you should go there. In a year and a half (sooner?) when Skywest renegotiates it's contract you'll know if you made a good choice.
Old 10-19-2016 | 08:52 AM
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Never said it was better at AA if you could find that for me and requote me please. I have only been pointing out what these new policies at skw really are. You have an issue with that ? Ok, but I'm looking for us all at skw to get compensated correctly and not get their streams crossed with these "amazing" benefits for the skw pilot group which is what I was responding too.
But thanks.
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