I’m looking forward to the day when double pay is “a few extra dollars”. If I can make two phone calls valued at a grand or so each, I’ll happily do it.

 

For sure. I was just saying for the Reserve-Dummies like me who might have innocently thought this thing works as advertised, I have learned this last week it doesn't. Again, not surprised.

 

Seems to me PWA sections 23.S.9.b.2.b&d couldn’t be any clearer. The word is “report.” Nowhere is “departure time” mentioned. It’s completely irrelevant. Of course I’m not surprised about CS’s rogue interpretation.

 

So you are going to take one Crew Assist (who are notorious for denying valid claims) denial as 'proof' it's a waste?

CA is obviously wrong. Try filing another Crew Assist case, and cite PWA 23.S.9.b.2.b, "The pilot must be able to report for a rotation with a report as early as two hours after the start of the short call period". 23.S.9.b.2.d states "their line may contain a rotation with a report as early as two hours from the start of the short call period" Furthermore, "Report" is defined in 2.245 as "one hour before the scheduled departure"

If they still fail to do the right thing, file your STS. From what you wrote, 100% chance you get paid whatever your first FDP block+MU was, or 2:00 DP minimum.

 

This is exactly how to proceed. I had a similar issue that was denied. I followed up with the contract reference and was denied again. I filed an STS and received 9K a few months later. If the cost becomes a meaningful metric, the problem gets fixed. Until then CS will continue the deny, delay techniques.
I'll ask my reps for a delay penalty in the next contract. Does 2% per month seem reasonable or is that too low?

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Yep agreed. I've already filed 2 seperate crew assist pay claims citing the PWA references, both came back as "closed" with the already discussed here reasoning from CS'ing that is not correct. I also filed an STS last week as well. At this point and moving forward regarding this, I probably won't even bother to interact with CS'ing, per my initial discussion with the initial crew scheduler, then the CS supervisor, then our ALPA rep, and then to finish it off the two closed crew assist pay claims, it's not worth bringing CS'ing into the mix. Every single CS'er is going to look at this situation in the incorrect way.

For anybody who has seen this issue through to a pay-out, where are we seeing the additional pay? Time card, pay stub, PAS?

 

Your 9k is not enough for the company to change their practices. The issue is that our PwA is complex and people don’t even care to read the SRH. They will continue to break the contract and pay because I’m sure than 80% of the pilot group don’t know when it’s an illegal assignment or not.

Now, I’ve asked questions here about SRH and PWA when I have no time to look it up. Sometimes you’re in a hurry and need to call them up fast, I know some people have parts bookmarked and I appreciate the fast response.

If something bring my spidey senses up…I’m definitely looking in to the PWA/SRH. I had to explain people senior and junior several times, how their contract has been violated and go chance the money.

This year alone, I’ve been paid more than 20k in contract violations. STS already responded my latest it will be investigated and pay could be due. Even if I’m not the “affected” pilot for pay purposes, someone will get a nice paycheck.

They will continue to violate the contract, because at the end of the day if the flight is completed, Delta will make profits. They will dismiss Pilot Assist Cases and make us to fill the STS. Just another step into recovering money, which I’m fine with it. That’s why we pay union dues, that’s why I’m always grateful for those that make the voluntary work.

 

It has for me, I think. Never had a trip report in the first 2 hours. I had one assigned but by the time I was contactable it was gone. I think the push back is a recent change because more people are using NC.

 

Yeah, I get that’s incredibly frustrating. I really like the idea of a delay penalty. If they deny a JS case, and it later gets approved via ALPA or FCR, it pays double, minimum. There must be a consequence to the company for what sure feels like a deliberate program to violate the contract, then avoid paying for it (because often enough, it works for them…)

 

I had a trip pay out for a DH that wasn't correct. When I called the scheduler they asked if I wanted it changed since I was deviating anyway. Had I said no it would have cost me $$$. They know what they are doing and are more savvy than we give them credit for. All of these shenanigans are deliberate and directed. If we don't make them accountable, we all lose.