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07-24-2025 | 07:06 AM
#3661
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Among other things, in order for a past practice to be binding it must be acknowledged by both parties. For years there has been an ALPA comm that was vetted and approved by the company that specifically contradicted the "PR rounded up" practice. Winning a past practice case would be nearly impossible.
07-24-2025 | 03:51 PM
#3662
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The problem is you are 0:36 of release time short of it not mattering. Under the past practice way of rounding up first it's a no-brainer you get 3. But if they start with your PR time you only get 2:
Assume for a minute that you had 5 LC days after your PR day. With your current GS rotation you'd get 9 hours free from release (so 1600). You then lose 8 hours of PB "time" on that last day of the rotation to get to 0000, leaving you with 112 hours of additional time off due (24 x 5, then minus 8). If you start at 0730 on your PR day and add 112 hours, you'd end up with a PR day ending on the 4th LC day after the PR day that ends at 2330. So if you had no LC days following your PR you'd only get 4 PB days in the bank. Since you have 2 LC days that means only 2 in the bank. If you had released at 0736 instead of 0700 then you'd end up with a PR at 0001 on day 5 which would trigger the additional PB day.
So that's what this whole discussion has been about these last few pages. The company has changed past practice (of rounding up first) but their change more aligns with an example in the SRH. So what do you do? I'd just call scheduling and tell them you are missing a PB day since you have 2 LC days left and did a 5 day GS. Hopefully they don't dig too much into it and just add it for you. If they don't then file a crew assist case with the company. If/when that gets denied file an STS with ALPA.
Assume for a minute that you had 5 LC days after your PR day. With your current GS rotation you'd get 9 hours free from release (so 1600). You then lose 8 hours of PB "time" on that last day of the rotation to get to 0000, leaving you with 112 hours of additional time off due (24 x 5, then minus 8). If you start at 0730 on your PR day and add 112 hours, you'd end up with a PR day ending on the 4th LC day after the PR day that ends at 2330. So if you had no LC days following your PR you'd only get 4 PB days in the bank. Since you have 2 LC days that means only 2 in the bank. If you had released at 0736 instead of 0700 then you'd end up with a PR at 0001 on day 5 which would trigger the additional PB day.
So that's what this whole discussion has been about these last few pages. The company has changed past practice (of rounding up first) but their change more aligns with an example in the SRH. So what do you do? I'd just call scheduling and tell them you are missing a PB day since you have 2 LC days left and did a 5 day GS. Hopefully they don't dig too much into it and just add it for you. If they don't then file a crew assist case with the company. If/when that gets denied file an STS with ALPA.
Called scheduling and spoke to a supervisor. PRs are now added together so I’m only due 2 days. They said this change was due to an audit with full ALPA assistance and approval and that ALPA has completely blessed their new interpretation.
I’ll file the crew assist and STS but it looks like add this to the list of new “interpretations.”
TFAYD BTW
07-24-2025 | 05:07 PM
#3663
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Are all these reinterpretations and disregard of PWA/SRH benefits,
1) an attempt to save costs and impress bosses and achieve bonuses,
2) purely and only driven by disdain for pilots,
3) both of the above,
4) neither of the above
Curious everyone’s thoughts
1) an attempt to save costs and impress bosses and achieve bonuses,
2) purely and only driven by disdain for pilots,
3) both of the above,
4) neither of the above
Curious everyone’s thoughts
07-24-2025 | 05:15 PM
#3664
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I think its both
07-24-2025 | 05:19 PM
#3665
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07-24-2025 | 06:33 PM
#3666
Roll’n Thunder
Joined: Oct 2009
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From: Pilot
That’s the problem. Past practice was actually not in agreement with how the SRH spelled things out. The company just did it out of laziness/lack of knowledge. Now they’ve shifted procedure to match SRH language. ALPA can’t fight it because ALPA and the company agreed to the SRH language however many years ago. We can’t argue past practice when that practice wasn’t in compliance with agreed upon language.
07-25-2025 | 07:08 AM
#3667
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From: N60.4858 W149.9327
07-25-2025 | 12:06 PM
#3668
Moderator
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…which is a change from historical norms, but whose counting. PWA language is meaningless anyway. They just do what they want and what we let them get away with. Which is now another detriment to the pilots. I’m not keeping score anymore because we already lost on enforcement. Now it’s about min effort for max pay to claw back my time which is more valuable anyway. About done with the BS.
07-25-2025 | 12:33 PM
#3669
Gets Weekends Off
Joined: Jul 2022
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Exactly. The days of me wearing a hat or sticking around after the shutdown checklist to say goodbye to the passengers are both long gone.
07-26-2025 | 05:19 AM
#3670
Banned
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From: Left lane in the Skyhop
Yes, it sure is. I'm not going to do it, though. If it's important to you, go right ahead. I'm packing my bags and heading to the curb.
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