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09-24-2025 | 09:32 AM
#3971
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Lol. You think they are trained
09-24-2025 | 10:38 AM
#3973
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09-24-2025 | 10:57 AM
#3974
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Why?!?!
It was an illegal assignment.
Once you made yourself aware of your schedule you would have seen the assignment and you would not have the FAR minimum rest so not only would it be a PWA violation, it would be an FAR violation.
You could have sat at home and someone would have got a GS to cover the trip short notice.
It's my personal opinion that more pilots need to push back and make the company follow the PWA instead of just having the "I'll get paid" mentality. It reinforces to the company that we are OK with them wiping their arse with our contract as long as they throw a little extra cheddar our way.
It was an illegal assignment.
Once you made yourself aware of your schedule you would have seen the assignment and you would not have the FAR minimum rest so not only would it be a PWA violation, it would be an FAR violation.
You could have sat at home and someone would have got a GS to cover the trip short notice.
It's my personal opinion that more pilots need to push back and make the company follow the PWA instead of just having the "I'll get paid" mentality. It reinforces to the company that we are OK with them wiping their arse with our contract as long as they throw a little extra cheddar our way.
Since I’d been notified of the trip and the accompanying pre FDP rest there was no FAR violation, just as there’s no FAR violation for yellow slipping a trip before 1000 on day 1. So this wasn’t a choice of “fly it for cash or stay home” it was a choice between flying it or possible disciplinary action for no-showing a trip I’d been marked notified for.
Granted I could’ve just not given them a courtesy call and just no-showed and eventually been vindicated but hindsight’s always 20-20.
09-24-2025 | 11:27 AM
#3975
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You said they were trained to violate the contract. I'm saying they aren't trained. Supervisors have 6 months in scheduling and they are thrown into the fire and told to figure it out. I certainly don't condone them violating the contract and there are certainly some characters that are blatantly violating it. But I also feel bad for many of them. They are getting yelled at and berated by grown adults making 10x what they make and are just trying to make ends meet. The blame is on middle and upper management. Shameful
Yes, higher management bears the lion's share of the blame for the utterly toxic culture, but don't let the rogue scheduler completely off the hook either.
09-24-2025 | 11:33 AM
#3976
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This right here is the lesson. We have no obligation to fix their mistakes, especially when you are not required to check or "make yourself aware" of things placed on your schedule.
09-24-2025 | 01:17 PM
#3977
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Joined: Apr 2016
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From: Looking left
While I get the sentiment and in many ways share it, the trip in question was put on my schedule several days in advance and I made the mistake of giving them a courtesy call to remove it. When they refused, they also marked me notified.
Since I’d been notified of the trip and the accompanying pre FDP rest there was no FAR violation, just as there’s no FAR violation for yellow slipping a trip before 1000 on day 1. So this wasn’t a choice of “fly it for cash or stay home” it was a choice between flying it or possible disciplinary action for no-showing a trip I’d been marked notified for.
Granted I could’ve just not given them a courtesy call and just no-showed and eventually been vindicated but hindsight’s always 20-20.
Since I’d been notified of the trip and the accompanying pre FDP rest there was no FAR violation, just as there’s no FAR violation for yellow slipping a trip before 1000 on day 1. So this wasn’t a choice of “fly it for cash or stay home” it was a choice between flying it or possible disciplinary action for no-showing a trip I’d been marked notified for.
Granted I could’ve just not given them a courtesy call and just no-showed and eventually been vindicated but hindsight’s always 20-20.
Agreed that once the phone call was made and talked to company representative, can't argue that you weren't "notified" so fly now grieve later applied.
09-24-2025 | 01:19 PM
#3978
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From: Looking left
The company gets metrics!
If more pilots stopped fixing the company problems and just no-showed rotations, that would get highlighted very quickly and maybe, just maybe, the company would spend some more time / capital / resources, actually training the schedulers and make it so they don't want to leave after 6-9 months and move onto some other DGS job.
09-24-2025 | 03:08 PM
#3979
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1000% THIS!!!
The company gets metrics!
If more pilots stopped fixing the company problems and just no-showed rotations, that would get highlighted very quickly and maybe, just maybe, the company would spend some more time / capital / resources, actually training the schedulers and make it so they don't want to leave after 6-9 months and move onto some other DGS job.
The company gets metrics!
If more pilots stopped fixing the company problems and just no-showed rotations, that would get highlighted very quickly and maybe, just maybe, the company would spend some more time / capital / resources, actually training the schedulers and make it so they don't want to leave after 6-9 months and move onto some other DGS job.
09-24-2025 | 06:25 PM
#3980
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Joined: Jul 2007
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From: B737 FO
Training operates in its own separate world from scheduling and it’s complete BS. Scheduling rules and PWA stuff are complete afterthoughts to them. I had a line check assigned at 0600 on day 1 of a LC block. Called scheduling and said that was in violation of the PWA and they said sorry it’s a training thing and scheduling can’t touch it. It was also a weekend so calls to training went to voicemail, cause who the heck works weekends.
Decided to fly it and get paid later but it was like pulling teeth. ALPA said I was due pay, but it took 9 freaking months and multiple emails and calls to actually pay out.
Decided to fly it and get paid later but it was like pulling teeth. ALPA said I was due pay, but it took 9 freaking months and multiple emails and calls to actually pay out.
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