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03-30-2016 | 07:28 AM
#1782
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03-30-2016 | 07:56 AM
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Unfortunately, pilots at RAH will have to leave RAH and go to an American wholly owned regional if they want to work at American. Those pilots who left PSA may find themselves right back here.
Now if those RAH pilots move on to Delta or United, that I can't speak to.
There will be no other way to get to American Airlines unless you go through one of their 3 wholly owned regionals.
Now if those RAH pilots move on to Delta or United, that I can't speak to.
There will be no other way to get to American Airlines unless you go through one of their 3 wholly owned regionals.
In addition, American is not the only airline in the world. United, Delta,some LLC's,corporate gigs ,Fed Ex,Ups all offer just as much if not more than American. 5or 6 years from now a flow won't matter anyway I promise you
We will all have moved on and most regionals will be gone anyway
03-30-2016 | 08:57 AM
#1784
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From: CRJ FO
American can and will hire off the street.You do not need to come from a WO to get there.That is a BIG misconception that is out there and it's simply not true.
In addition, American is not the only airline in the world. United, Delta,some LLC's,corporate gigs ,Fed Ex,Ups all offer just as much if not more than American. 5or 6 years from now a flow won't matter anyway I promise you
We will all have moved on and most regionals will be gone anyway
In addition, American is not the only airline in the world. United, Delta,some LLC's,corporate gigs ,Fed Ex,Ups all offer just as much if not more than American. 5or 6 years from now a flow won't matter anyway I promise you
We will all have moved on and most regionals will be gone anyway
American plans for AT LEAST 50% of its new hires to come from the wholly owneds. Couple that with military and guard hires, and that is a huge chunk of the classes already off the table for pilots coming in off the street.
American might not be the only airline in the world, but they are the biggest and they have the most retirements. That means they offer the biggest chance for great qol for someone hired in the next 5 years.
And to think that in 5 or 6 years flow isn't going to matter may be jumping the gun a little bit. Everyone like to tout that there aren't enough regional pilots currently to fill the classes at mainline as this huge retirement wave sets in. I think many people forget about pilots separating from the military and about pilots at the LCCs and other majors AND the increasing number of corporate pilots you will see trickiling in. There will still be regionals in 5 or 6 years.
03-30-2016 | 09:18 AM
#1785
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And apparently most of 'em are back flying the line, (and taking round one lines away from those of us who are below them in seniority), because there aren't a whole lot of pilots coming through the PSA training pipeline these days,...... f/o's OR Captains.
Trivia question: How many pilots are in the April upgrade class?
Answer: It's a trick question. There IS NO April upgrade class. And so far, no upgrade class for May,.... or June,.... or....
Trivia question: How many pilots are in the April upgrade class?
Answer: It's a trick question. There IS NO April upgrade class. And so far, no upgrade class for May,.... or June,.... or....
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03-30-2016 | 09:33 AM
#1786
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American can and will hire off the street.You do not need to come from a WO to get there.That is a BIG misconception that is out there and it's simply not true.
In addition, American is not the only airline in the world. United, Delta,some LLC's,corporate gigs ,Fed Ex,Ups all offer just as much if not more than American. 5or 6 years from now a flow won't matter anyway I promise you
We will all have moved on and most regionals will be gone anyway
In addition, American is not the only airline in the world. United, Delta,some LLC's,corporate gigs ,Fed Ex,Ups all offer just as much if not more than American. 5or 6 years from now a flow won't matter anyway I promise you
We will all have moved on and most regionals will be gone anyway
The only way around this is to cancel the flow, integrate the wholly owned's directly into American as employees, or force movement through their regionals thereby creating a new rung on the career ladder.
If you see it differently, I would like to debate it with you. What is your argument?
03-30-2016 | 01:20 PM
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This is where I think you are wrong. Although what you describe is somewhat true today, it won't work in the near future. American wants to protect their regional feed as long as possible. The only way that works assuming they do not cancel the flow agreements is to make anyone, and I'm talking military too, go through their regional partners for a few years and flow up.
The only way around this is to cancel the flow, integrate the wholly owned's directly into American as employees, or force movement through their regionals thereby creating a new rung on the career ladder.
If you see it differently, I would like to debate it with you. What is your argument?
The only way around this is to cancel the flow, integrate the wholly owned's directly into American as employees, or force movement through their regionals thereby creating a new rung on the career ladder.
If you see it differently, I would like to debate it with you. What is your argument?
Several guys that talked to American at the WI A conference in Nashville last month have already begun the hiring process,but you sit and wait 12 years for your flow number while people are getting hired without it.
In addition, the wo''s will never get stapled on mainline's seniority list.That would mean they would have to pay mainline salaries for flying crappy crj's and that will not happen.
Don't drink anymore of Parkers kool-aid son.Lol
03-30-2016 | 01:24 PM
#1788
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Unfortunately, pilots at RAH will have to leave RAH and go to an American wholly owned regional if they want to work at American. Those pilots who left PSA may find themselves right back here.
Now if those RAH pilots move on to Delta or United, that I can't speak to.
There will be no other way to get to American Airlines unless you go through one of their 3 wholly owned regionals.
Now if those RAH pilots move on to Delta or United, that I can't speak to.
There will be no other way to get to American Airlines unless you go through one of their 3 wholly owned regionals.
03-30-2016 | 01:25 PM
#1789
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I honestly would not expect pay to increase by much when other regionals with much better pay are only having 2 people show up to class. True story. Management knows increasing pay was a fix that needed to be made 6 months ago. It's too late for that to work on a scale they need it to. So now what? They sit on their hands and wait to see which non-wholly owneds fail. We aren't likely to grow by much more than we have when the last of the 900s get delivered and we will stagnate a bit for a while. If that happens I would expect flow to increase and retention bonuses to be dangled in front of FOs again. There will still be movement going forward as pilots leave for legacies and LCCs over the next couple years and as we flow pilots to mainline. This place will still offer more movement than many. I would personally not go to RAH. Too risky. I would consider PSA for a specific set of circumstances. If you fall within those circumstances, it isn't a bad place to be. If however you find yourself commuting from far away because some recruiter promised you CLT and a quick upgrade, you failed to do your homework.
03-30-2016 | 01:29 PM
#1790
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On the bright side a lot of pilots can now add LCA to their resume and hopefully get hired at a better company.
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