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Old 07-23-2025 | 05:45 AM
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Originally Posted by 20Fathoms
Thanks Tennis. Right now they only gave me 2. Any reference I can give scheduling when I call them?
The problem is you are 0:36 of release time short of it not mattering. Under the past practice way of rounding up first it's a no-brainer you get 3. But if they start with your PR time you only get 2:

Assume for a minute that you had 5 LC days after your PR day. With your current GS rotation you'd get 9 hours free from release (so 1600). You then lose 8 hours of PB "time" on that last day of the rotation to get to 0000, leaving you with 112 hours of additional time off due (24 x 5, then minus 8). If you start at 0730 on your PR day and add 112 hours, you'd end up with a PR day ending on the 4th LC day after the PR day that ends at 2330. So if you had no LC days following your PR you'd only get 4 PB days in the bank. Since you have 2 LC days that means only 2 in the bank. If you had released at 0736 instead of 0700 then you'd end up with a PR at 0001 on day 5 which would trigger the additional PB day.

So that's what this whole discussion has been about these last few pages. The company has changed past practice (of rounding up first) but their change more aligns with an example in the SRH. So what do you do? I'd just call scheduling and tell them you are missing a PB day since you have 2 LC days left and did a 5 day GS. Hopefully they don't dig too much into it and just add it for you. If they don't then file a crew assist case with the company. If/when that gets denied file an STS with ALPA.
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Old 07-23-2025 | 06:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
All well and good, until Scheduling developed a payback day calculator that aligns with the PWA/SRH that knows not to round a PR up to a PB.
OK, so I just reread this post and tennis' post, and now notice you used past tense "developed". I haven't bid reserve much in the last year or so (about when they started the SC-palooza, but not because of it). So perhaps I have missed some current events on reserve.

Just to clarify, CS has officially changed their practice universally, utilizing a new 'tool'? Not only to cease 'rounding up' a PR, but also to actually dig into the internals of each 'other than midnight' PB/PR individually? Do I understand that right?
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Old 07-23-2025 | 11:20 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
OK, so I just reread this post and tennis' post, and now notice you used past tense "developed". I haven't bid reserve much in the last year or so (about when they started the SC-palooza, but not because of it). So perhaps I have missed some current events on reserve.

Just to clarify, CS has officially changed their practice universally, utilizing a new 'tool'? Not only to cease 'rounding up' a PR, but also to actually dig into the internals of each 'other than midnight' PB/PR individually? Do I understand that right?
Not sure about this specific one, but there are several new tools, automations, or changes. A good example of one is when you DDH now, the system reverts a delayed DH back to scheduled instead of freezing it at the time of DDH…leading to early documented release and shorting of EDP.
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Old 07-24-2025 | 01:58 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
OK, so I just reread this post and tennis' post, and now notice you used past tense "developed". I haven't bid reserve much in the last year or so (about when they started the SC-palooza, but not because of it). So perhaps I have missed some current events on reserve.

Just to clarify, CS has officially changed their practice universally, utilizing a new 'tool'? Not only to cease 'rounding up' a PR, but also to actually dig into the internals of each 'other than midnight' PB/PR individually? Do I understand that right?
Thats correct. Majority of the recent consternation of scheduling shorting guys PB days has been the company actually complying with the PWA/SRH application of 23.S.11/12.
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Old 07-24-2025 | 03:27 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
Thats correct. Majority of the recent consternation of scheduling shorting guys PB days has been the company actually complying with the PWA/SRH application of 23.S.11/12.
Ok. In that case, I retract my comments as OBE.

My apologies. Clearly I’m not keeping up.
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Old 07-24-2025 | 04:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
Thats correct. Majority of the recent consternation of scheduling shorting guys PB days has been the company actually complying with the PWA/SRH application of 23.S.11/12.
Within the last two months I have been told by multiple people on the SC that the new calculator was wrong. Has this changed?
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Old 07-24-2025 | 05:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Gspeed
Within the last two months I have been told by multiple people on the SC that the new calculator was wrong. Has this changed?
The calculator as it stands is still incorrect. It adds partial times together (not contractual). However, it, correctly, does not round up PRs to PBs and then apply the new PB/PRs.

The latest version of the calculator is being vetted by the scheduling committee. It is correct except for some edge cases. It no longer adds PR times together. There will be comms in the future once the latest and greatest goes live. We’ve been pushing for and have been told that the PB day calculator will be published on Deltanet for pilots to use.
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Old 07-24-2025 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
The calculator as it stands is still incorrect. It adds partial times together (not contractual). However, it, correctly, does not round up PRs to PBs and then apply the new PB/PRs.

The latest version of the calculator is being vetted by the scheduling committee. It is correct except for some edge cases. It no longer adds PR times together. There will be comms in the future once the latest and greatest goes live.

yeah the PR adding issue was what was affecting me. good to hear. Thank you.
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Old 07-24-2025 | 05:14 AM
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Originally Posted by FangsF15
Ok. In that case, I retract my comments as OBE.

My apologies. Clearly I’m not keeping up.
All good. Hoping that people understand that scheduling practice of PB day application has forever been inconsistent, resulted in over and under application of PB days and has never fully aligned with the contract.
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Old 07-24-2025 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by Ar Pilot
All good. Hoping that people understand that scheduling practice of PB day application has forever been inconsistent, resulted in over and under application of PB days and has never fully aligned with the contract.
How does that play with “past practice”? As Fangs & others have pointed out, “that’s the way they’ve done it” since before I got here….

Suddenly they’re pulling out all the stops to follow the letter of the contract? Sure wish they’d do THAT across the board!
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